Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:33:55 -0500
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Subject: BURNETT-TURNER-VIA-ETC/ETC 

Hello again for the third time this month.  Welcome to all the new
contributors.  I will be glad to resend any compilations you haven't
received.  Just let me know which ones you have received.  Seems most of the
info is on TURNERs this time.   If you have any comments, questions, more
info to share, please pass it my way.  Nyla

Subj:     Turner
Date:     96-02-22 14:07:29 EST
From:     lrd@ornl.gov (DEBORAH L. REECE)
To:  ncreed@aol.com

I looking for info on William A. Turner b abt 1796 in NC married
Mary ?.  He had a brother John and a daughter Margaret L. m.
Charles Reel.  Charles and Margaret lived in Bledsoe Co. TN in 1860.

I have very little Turner info.  My cousin has a bible that has
names and birthdates in it.  The handwriting is beautiful.

Thanks.  Any info appreciated
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Subj:     Turner/Parrent in Ok & TX
Date:     96-02-25 16:55:28 EST
From:     mcclaran@ionet.net (Karen McClaran)
To:  NCreed@aol.com

This is my TURNER line. As you can see  from both, i have little
on them. I have concentrated on my other lines more and am now working on
these.
Karen K. Hogue Mcclaran
mcclaran@ionet.net

I am searching for information on the following people including
parents, siblings and any other descendents.
Specifically needed is any info on the TURNER line:

Lou Ella TURNER, b. c.1860 TX, d. in Linn, OK., md. J.W. PARRENT,
b. c.1855 California, d. in Linn, OK.

Dau. Mary Lottie PARRENT, b. 22 Dec. 1882 TX, d. 16 Aug. 1942
Tupelo, OK., md. James Reuben HOGUE, b. 23 Feb. 1880 TX (Grayson Co?), d. 19
June 1962 Tupelo, OK.,  son of John J. HOGG/HOGUE and Mary Jane DAUGHERTY.

Karen K. Hogue McClaran
mcclaran@ionet.net
<Alderson, Cambell, Collins, Daugherty, Fulbright, Gardener,
Gibson, Gillespie, Gilliland, Hedrick, Hogg, Hogue, Johnson, Kelsey,
Lewis, Mayfield, McClung, Parrent, Pitman, Robertson/Robinson, Shawver,
Turner, Tweddell, Weeks, Wilds, Wisdom, Wyatt>
Karen K. Hogue McClaran
mcclaran@ionet.net  and kmcclar@okstate.edu
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Subj:     TURNER/DUCOTE/MAYEAUX/MCCLARAN in LA.
Date:     96-02-25 16:53:42 EST
From:     mcclaran@ionet.net (Karen McClaran)
To:  NCreed@aol.com

This is one of the TURNER families that I have. I posted it
recently on another board. I will alo send another TURNER that I have. This
one is my husband's and the other is mine. I'd love to connect the two.
Karen k. Hogue McClaran

I am seeking anyand all information on the following line:

Ozias TURNER md. Clara DUCOTE. Had 12 children including Oge &
Euge TURNER b. in Cottonport, LA., (Azoyelles Parish?)

Oge TURNER had 6-7 children and one of his sons md. a TURNER in Houston, TX.

Euge TURNER, b. Cottonport, LA. md._____.
Their children were:
Lloyd TURNER
Edna Rosina TURNER
Rose Lydia TURNER
Harris TURNER
Roland TURNER
Herman TURNER
Jimmy TURNER, the eldest?

Edna Rosina md. Lourie Joseph MAYEAUX and lived in Bunkie, LA., dau. Louise
Marie MAYEAUX md/1 Marion Joyce McCLARAN, Sr., md/2 James A. WOOD.

Other related names are: Tony TURNER, Carmen TURNER WHITE, Myrtis
TURNER JUNEAU, Essie R. TURNER GAUTHIER.

Thank you,
Karen K. Hogue McClaran
mcclaran@ionet.net

<also searching GILLESPIE & GRIMES connections> 
Karen K. Hogue McClaran
mcclaran@ionet.net  and kmcclar@okstate.edu
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Subj:     Re: Turner mailing list
Date:     96-02-27 22:01:46 EST
From:     turner@mind.net (Randy & Polli Turner)
To:  NCreed@aol.com

Record of the Turner Family as of 1996
Polli Jost Turner, Editor
FIRST GENERATION (DEWYERS)--
Timothy Dwyer, married (April 5, 1870, in Falls Co., TX)
Elizabeth Spencer, "Betty," born 1847/48 (acc. to their marriage record).
  Eva
Turner Bell told Dorothea Turner Zoller that Tim and Betty were Mary Francis'
adoptive parents, and that the Dwyer family came to Texas from Tennessee. 
Dorothea and I are trying to confirm this.  
Later, Eva told Aunt Veta that Mary's father was French, and her
mother was half white (father) and half Comanche Indian (mother).  Mary was
their first child, and her mother died in childbirth.  Her father found a
home for the baby and returned to France.  Mary spent at least a part of her
life in an orphanage before being adopted by the Dwyers.    We notice that in
their family Bible, Mary spelled her last name as Dewyers. So, when I
received a photocopy of Tim and Betty's marriage certificate from the Falls
Co., TX, County Clerk's office, I was surprised to find that Tim's name was
spelled Dwyer!  Perhaps the official who wrote out the certificate made an
error?  In an era and place where many were uneducated, it was common for
names to change in spelling from generation to
generation.   However, I have never seen the name Dewyers anywhere else, but
Dwyer fairly common among descendants of Irish immigrants.  With my research,
I am beginning to feel that Tim and Betty were Mary's  natural parents.  In
those days, orphan children were often not officially adopted, rather a
family just took them in.  They kept their own names.  I have not been able
to find Tim and Betty in the 1880 census,
which they should be, if they were Mary's adoptive parents.  A family may
have taken her in, and she kept her parents' name.  But, not having been
taught the proper spelling, she and the adoptive family just spelled it as
 it sounded,
"Dewyers".  I am still trying to find a grave for Betty, which should clear
things up--if she died very early, then she was Betty's natural mother.  In
that case, Tim was probably Irish, as Dwyer is an Irish name, and he may well
have remarried.  I haven't been able to find Tim or Betty in the 1870 census,
either, which was taken in March, just before their 
I did find one Timothy Dwyer in a nearby county, Coryell Co., in  the 1880
census (see below).  He was 35  (so he would have been 25 at the time of his
marriage to Betty 10 years earlier, she was 22 at the time).  His wife Vivien
was only 23, and they had three children under the age of five!   It is very
possible that this was Mary's father, and that after placing her in the
orphanage, he moved to another county, remarried, and had
another family!  An interesting point is that Tim was not found in the
Coryell Co.
census in 1870!    
1.  Mary Francis Dewyers, "Fannie," born Jan. 15, 1870, in Marlin, Falls Co.,
TX; died Dec. 12, 1937, in Pomona, CA, of stomach cancer; 67 years old.  Mary
married
William Ellis Turner.

Timothy Dwyer, born ca. 1845, in Ireland, died 1903, in Coryell
Co., TX; about 58 years old.  Both his parents were born in Ireland. 
Married (Feb 21, 1875, in Coryell Co., TX) E. Black, born ca. 1857, in TX;
died 1926, in Coryell Co., TX; about 69 years old.  She is named Veria on the
1880 census,  and Bina on her grave.  Both were first buried in the Sugar
Loaf
cemetery. 
When the military took over the area, the graves were disinterred
and moved to the nearby Killeen City Cemetery.  In the 1880 census, Tim and
Bena have three children:
1.  John D. Dwyer, born ca. 1876.
2.  Mary E. Dwyer, born ca. 1878.
3.  William Dwyer, born Jan. 1880.
Two more Dwyers were buried near Tim and Bina, both the correct
ages to be their children:
4.  Bob Dwyer, born 1882, died 1959; 77 years old.
5.  Dan Dwyer, born Nov. 8, 1885; died March 2, 1948; 62 years old.  

FIRST GENERATION (TURNER)--
William Ellis Turner, born Jan. 20, 1852, in KY; died April 10,
1915, of pneumonia, in Amarillo, TX; 63 years old.  He was an only child,
says Dorothea Zoller, our cousin.  Married (Sept. 9, 1885, in Hill
Co., TX, marriage license obtained in Hillsboro, in Hill Co., TX) Mary
Francis Dewyers, born Jan. 15, 1870, in Marlin, TX; died Dec. 12, 1937,
in Pomona, CA, of stomach cancer; 67 years old.   
William was buried in Llano Cemetery in Amarillo--the epitaph on
his grave reads, "Asleep in Jesus, blessed thought."  Mary ran a boarding
house in Amarillo to help support the family after William died.  Mary was
buried in Pomona Cemetery.    An obituary from the Amarillo Daily News tells
that William worked for the Puckett Grain Company, and was a member of the
Central
Presbyterian Church.
His son William's (delayed) birth certificate gives his occupation as
farmer.  They lived at 1207 Garfield at the time of his death. 
The city directory for 1915 gives Mary's name as Fannie M. Turner, and
gives her occupation as nurse.    
1.  Thomas Azro Turner,  
"Tom,"  born Jan. 6, 1887; died Dec. 22, 1970; 83 years old.  Married (Oct.
13, 1907, in Greer Co., OK, at the home of his sister Nora) Essie
May Page, born Nov. 4, 1889; died July 1961; 71 years old.  They had 13
children.  For  a time in Idaho, he dealt cards for a living.  In 1913 he was
a
machine helper for the Santa Fe Railroad, and owned the house the family
lived in. 

[PLEASE NOTE.  I DELETED A PORTION OF THE TEXT SINCE IT CONTAINED
DATES OF BIRTH OF INDIVIDUALS WHO POSSIBLE ARE STILL LIVING.  IF
THIS INFO IS OF INTEREST TO YOU, PLEASE REQUEST IT FROM POLI.  --
-Nyla]

SECOND GENERATION--
William Nixon Turner, "Bill," born Oct. 12, 1892, in West, McLennan Co., TX;
died Jan. 22, 1971, in Chino, CA; 79 years old.  Married (Dec. 17, 1911, in
Wheeler, TX) Jewel Elendor Garrison, born Oct. 18, 1891, in Comanche, TX;
died Oct. 29, 1980, in Pomona, CA; 89 years old.  West is a small town about
20 miles north of Waco.  It is a Czech town, and was at one time called West
Station because of its position on the railroad.
Bill and Uncle Levi travelled around to find work.  First they were in
Springerville, CA, then the families moved to Armona, El Centro,  and finally
homesteaded outside of Wilcox, AZ.  The homestead was noth of Wilcox, between
and a little south of Bonita and Sunset.  Elie and Veta were both born on
that homestead, but their mailing address changed.  While they were there,
Bill and Levi continued to travel to find work.  When
Grandpa Garrison died in 1922, they gave up the homestead because there
would be no men around, and it was so far out in the country.  From there
they moved to Bisby and Globe, AZ, to work in the copper mines.  Then they
tried farming again in the Wilcox area, but with no luck. In1925 the family
moved to Pomona.  The old homestead is now part of a cattle ranch.   
1.  Thomas Kermit Turner, "Kermit," born Sept. 20, 1912, in Armona, CA; died
June 4, 1962, of cancer,  in Arcadia, CA; 50 years old.  Served aboard USS
Princeton when
it was torpedoed in China Sea in WWII.  Married Geneveive, "Jean."  Kermit
worked
for Edison for 21 years
 
[PLEASE NOTE.  I DELETED A PORTION OF THE TEXT SINCE IT CONTAINED
DATES OF BIRTH OF INDIVIDUALS WHO POSSIBLE ARE STILL LIVING.  IF
THIS INFO IS OF INTEREST TO YOU, PLEASE REQUEST IT FROM POLI.  --
-Nyla]

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Subj:     Shadrach Turner Will
Date:     96-02-28 02:53:46 EST
From:     102125.3126@compuserve.com (K Dawn)
To:  NCreed@aol.com (Nyla Creed)

Nyla, I have some questions for the Turner Group re Shadrach
Turner's will, which is copied below. This will has been copied in a number
of
Turner publications; it is certainly not hard to find, and I'm sure a
lot of the people in this group have a copy of it. I have never seen it
questioned
in published works, and it's always treated as though it's quite
straightforward. I do not find it that way and would like to see if I'm the
only one who
questions it.
     The will it quite helpful in that it lists Shadrach's children. Four of
them are mentioned in specific Items, as is his wife, Ann. My
questions center around the last Item and the PostScript. He says all his
movable
estate, after the death of his wife, is to be divided among his children and
grandaughter, then he lists 9 people. In the list is mentioned two Mary's,
one
being Mary Hunter, and in fact, we know his daughter Mary married a William
Hunter. Who is the other Mary?
     Here's what we do know: three of his children are married at the
time--Elizabeth (Packwood); Mary (Hunter); William (to Jane Hunter). Mary is
the
only child for whom I have no listed children. Later, she and her sister,
Exoney, along with their husbands, migrated to Wayne Co, KY. From
there, the two children I know of Exoney's migrated to Louisanna and
Missouri. I
do not have the names of her other children, although I would like to find
them.
     By the time of Shadrach's death, Elizabeth had 8 children (Packwoods):
William, Exony, Elisha, Samuel, Richard, Larkin, Rachel & Sarah
(b. 1783). William & Jane Turner had five children by then: George W.,
James, John, Martha & Elizabeth (b. 1783).
     So, could the second Mary have been Mary's daughter? In the
family group sheets you sent, constructed by Pilson, he mentions that
probably
Shadrach & Ann had another daughter, in addition to the eight, also married
to a
Hunter. Exoney later married a Hunter, but Pilson already knows this. Who is
this 9th daughter? Does she exist?
     Obviously, Shadrach had some second thoughts about his will, seems he
needed to add some people to it. Who are they? Who is Lucia Robb? Any
thoughts? Could Lucia be a nickname of one of the grandchildren and Robb be a
middle name?  His youngest grandaughter had just been born, and her name was
Sarah. Could she be Sally?
     Each child was mentioned and received part of his estate, but some seem
more "equal" than the others? Has anyone uncovered any research to indicate
why this is?        A lot of questions, I know, with probably no way of
knowing what really was happening back there in Henry Co over 200 years ago,
but I would love to hear other's opinions.
     Thanks.

The Last Will and Testament of Shadrack Turner

     In the Name of God Amen. October the 25th One Thousand Seven
Hundred and Eighty-Three. I, Shadrack Turner of Henry County, being in sound
memory at present, thanks to Almighty God for it, and knowing the
uncertainty of life, do  make and ordain this my last Will and Testament in
the following
manner.
     Item: I give to my sons Larkin Turner and Jeremiah Turner,
the Land and  Plantation that I now live upon as far as the right hand Branch
and up the Branch to the Creek above the Road thence up the said Branch Sick
is as far as the Road, also one horse and one saddle to each of them.
     Item: I give to my son William Turner the Land over the
right hand Branch  and up the branch to the Dreen. Thence up the Dreen to the
Road.
Thence along the road to the line of the final survey, thence along the line
till it comes to Daniel Smith s corner, thence a straight line below the Mess
place, thence a straight line to the Waggon ford by the Apple Orchard, thence
along the Creek to the mouth of the right hand branch, thence up the Branch
to the
beginning.
     Item: I give to my daughter Excony Turner, One Horse and Saddle and two
cows and calves and a Ewe and Lamb and one Sow and Piggs and the
land upon the Turkey Penn Branch and up to my son William s  line on both
sides
of the creek, thence a straight line to the corner tree in the gap of the
hill,
thence along the Ridge to the back line, the remaining part to Larkin and
Jeremiah Turner to them and heirs forever.
     Item: I also give to my daughter, Excony Turner, One Feather Bed and
Furniture to her and her heirs forever, if she dies without heirs, her part
to
be Divided amongst the rest of my children.
     Item: The House to be finished out of the estate.
     Item: I give to my beloved wife Ann Turner the Plantation I
now live upon and all the movable Estate, after my debts are paid, during her
life time, then to be Divided between all my children, and my Grand daughter,
Elizabeth, John, Josiah, William, Mary, Larkin, Jeremiah, Excony, Mary
Hunter, if
any of the above mentioned children should die without an heir, then parts
to be returned  to the remainder part of the children. I appoint my two sons
John
Turner and Wm. to be executors to the within Written Will. In Witness thereof
I
have set y hand and seal, the Day and year above Written.

Shadrack Turner Sr.

     PostScript: I expected I had finished the Will but since the
other children I give my Executors power at time of marriage Lucia Robb
have a cow and calf and other necessaries as my Executors may think needful,
but
if Lucia or Sally die without issue Lawfully begotten, may their part to
return to the Estate.
     Item: I desire my children may have learning as far as may
do County (that is the boys). The girls to read-out of the Estate.  In
witness their of I set my hand and seal

Shadrack Turner Sr.
Tes.
Sam l Critchfield
John Hunter
Richard Stone (X his mark)
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Subj:     Constantine Turner
Date:     96-02-28 03:35:47 EST
From:     102125.3126@compuserve.com (K Dawn)
To:  NCreed@aol.com (Nyla Creed)

Nyla,

Another puzzle for the Turner Group. I have seen two different
parents listed for Constantine Turner of Franklin Co, VA. The only thing for
certain, if there is anything certain in genealogy, is that he's a grandson
of
Shadrach. Now, is  he a son of John & Elizabeth Price or Josiah and Millie
Key?
Different sources say different things.
     One book, I think it is Dr. Wood,s book on Floyd Co, VA, says that
Constantine, as well as Thomas, is the son of Josiah. This book is usually
very
correct on the Turners, b/c the man who contributed his knowledge
of Turners was a Turner cousin and was himself born in 1849. He either knew
them
or knew of them with only a few years removed. However, the information on
the first generation of Turners in Franklin Co tends to be completely wrong,
so I don't
think he is necessarily a good resource for this first generation.
     On the other hand, Marvin Raney, author of the Raney collection, and
usually quite reliable, says Constantine is the son of John & Elizabeth. If I
were to base my conclusions solely on the credibility of these two authors, I
would certainly go with Raney. But it's never that easy, is it?       There
is has been other research done on John & Elizabeth, from very good and
reliable researchers, for example, O. E. Pilson, who is probably the most
knowledgeable Turner researcher. Constantine is not listed among the children
of John & Elizabeth on the Pilson Family Group Sheets. So, who is
Constantine's father?
     The children I have listed for Constantine are (all b. in Franklin Co,
VA):
With first wife Elizabeth:
1. Mary, b, 1824, m. Elisha (Elijah) Prillaman, b. 1820/21
2. Cynthia, b. 1825
3. Josephine, b. 1827, 1827/28
4. Margaret, b. 1829/30
5. Alfred, b. 1830/31
6. William, b. 1831/32
7. John, b. 1833/34
With second wife, Mary Lavinder, dau John & Mary (Deppity)
Lavinder, m
9-24-1838:
1. Pamelia, 1840/41
2. Joseph, b. 1842/43
3. Stephen, b. 1844/45
     If anyone knows the parentage of Constantine, or has any
thoughts, please let me know. Thank you.  Kathe
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