Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:03:04 EST
From: NCreed1 <NCreed1@aol.com>
To: NCreed1@aol.com
Subject: Comp #339 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc
14 January 1997
Hello:
More wonderful eMails. Chris Dawson has sent us another Packwood chapter.
Be sure to check out all our compilations on Chris Gaunt's homepage:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt
Nyla CREED DePauk
San Diego, CA
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Subj: Letter concerning Richard Turner son of Shadrack Turner and Margaret
Hill
Date: 98-01-14 09:38:24 EST
From: bilgro@netdoor.com (Nancy)
Reply-to: bilgro@netdoor.com
To: NCreed1@AOL.COM
Nyla,
I have a hand transcribed copy of the following letter sent to me by a
Turner researcher, who is now deceased. I do not know where the original
letter is today. Consider the date it was written and realize how much
progress the family has made in determining its ancestors. There is
speculation in this letter that does not conform to contemporary data. I
have placed a note into the letter at the place where this is obvious.
The letter primarily concerns descendents of Meshack S. Turner's son
Shadrack II b 1752 VA who married Margaret Hill.
The letter appears to be from a descendent of Nancy Turner m Elisha
Gilliam Crawford concerning the family of Richard Turner b 1779 m Mary
Henderson. I think the Civil War information contained therein is
particularly interesting.
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Copy of a letter written to Judge P. A. Turner of Texarkana, Texas
[NTG NOTE-probably Pleasant Asbury Turner b April 2,1850 Jasper Co. Ga]
from J. A. Crawford Nashville, Tenn-June 11, 1925.
My dear Sir:
I wish to acknowledge receipt of your letter of recent date and to
thank you for the information it contained. I am very anxious to
discover some branch of the family which has preserved the records of
the family way back, but I have so far been unsuccessful in that
endeavor. Cousin Nancy Warren of whom I told you in my other letter
sometime ago gave me a record she had of Uncle Dick Turner's family, but
she knew little regarding what became of any of them, as she was the
youngest child in her parents family, and her mother's cousin Lizzie
Freeman was close to the youngest child in Uncle Dick's family.
Assuming that you are not very much unlike most your age and also a
great many much younger, that is, that it is quite entertaining to
write, talk and think of the old folks in the days gone by, I will take
pleasure in giving you herewith the record given me by cousin Nancy
Warren.
Richard Turner, b. Nov 17, 1779, Married Mary Henderson in 1799.
Their children: James N. b June 29, 1800; Margaret b Dec. 29, 1801; John
C. b Feb. 21 1804; Shadrack b July 9, 1806; Robertson Hill b Nov. 1,
1808; Cebron B. b Jan 23, 1811; Nancy F. b May 1, 1813; Martin H. born
Dec. 7, 1815; Abednego G. b. Jan 31, 1817; Jane B. born _____25, 1820;
Elizabeth b Jan. 27, 1823; Mary Ann b. Mar. 17, 1825; Francis L. b Oct
13, 1827.
That makes 13 children, the land record of Jasper co. would indicate
that Uncle Dick moved to Jasper Co. GA about the fall of 1815 and Mr.
Duke informs me that he died in what is now Newton Co. GA which was at
one time a part of Jasper Co. but the date is unknown.
Another branch of the family, that is a descendent of Meshack
Turner, brother of Uncle Dick's brothers and sisters, but no dates of
birth, deaths, etc. could be furnished and I am a little dubius as to
its accuracy.
Richard; Margaret; Nancy; James F.; Shadrack; Meshack; Sally;
Abednego; Mary called Polly; Stephen; William; Susan; Louis; Elizabeth.
The party that gave me the next above record said she thought the
parents were Meshack Turner and Margaret Hill, but I am inclined to the
belief that it was Shadrack and Margaret Hill. I have deligently
searched, or rather have had searches made of the court records of
Va.(many counties) and also many counties of east Ga. but I have so far
failed to find a record of a will or an administration of an estate of
Shadrack Turner. We have a tradition that Elisha G. Crawford (my great
grandfather) married Nancy Turner in Lincoln County, Ga., and the court
records of that county show they lived there and owned several hundred
acres of land there and seemingly moved from there to Jasper co. about
1815, but I could not discover a record of their marriage in that
county, hence it is possible they married in some adjoining county. I
have a partial record of Uncle Dick's (Turner) family and descendents,
and almost a full record of the descendents of Meshack Turner and of
Abdednego Turner and a part record of the descendents of James F.
Turner, but they are almost unknown to me. The Lincoln county Court
records show that James Turner married Sally Turner dau. of Shadrack
Turner on Sept. 9, 1906; Shadrack Turner m Unity Gillian in the same
Co., April 14, 1808; Meshack Turner m Frances Tatom Sept. 28, 1809. It
is said that Stephen Turner m but his wife is unknown; their dau m a Dr.
James of Va.; William Turner did not marry; Louis Turner is said to have
m Sally Farmer; Susan Turner is said to have m a Mr. Golden; Polly
Turner is said to have m a Mr. Golden, brother to the husband of Susan
and both families moved to somewhere in Kentucky. Elizabeth Turner m
Samuel Wideman of Lincoln Co. Ga.
Abdednego G. Turner m Cynthia Lassiter in Monroe Co. Ga in 1837.
Elizabeth G. Turner m Henry Freeman, Nov. 12, 1840.
Cousin Henry and Lizzie moved from Jasper Co. Ga to Cotton Valley,
Macon Co. Ala., about 1845 and lived in Cotton Valley until the late
fall of 1869 when they moved with their family and a great many other
relatives to Johnson Co. Texas, where both died. Their oldest son Tom
Freeman was about the same age as my father and they both enlisted in
the same company in the Civil War. They were sent for a time to Tupelo,
Miss. to be trained and while there during the summer of 1862 a few
regiments of Louisiana soldiers were there and were known as the
Louisiana Tigers. I have an old letter written by my father while he
was in Tupelo and in it he speaks of he and Tom Freeman going over to
visit Cousin Dick Turner who was a Lieut. Colonel of a Louisiana
Regiment. I have looked up the record at the Library and find he was
Lt. Col. of the 19th La. Regiment. I do not know whose Dick he was but
I believe he was the son of Shadrack and Unity Gillium and that they
moved from East Ga. to somepoint in Louisiana sometime during the 1840's
or earlier. Tom Freeman was killed in the first battle he was in which
was Perryville, KY. I visited that battlefield a few years ago when I
was traveling in that vicinity. History records Lt. Col. Richard W.
Turner as having been wounded in the battle of Chickamauga.
Frances L. Turner, youngest dau of Uncle Dick Turner m Benjamin
Freeman, brother of cousin Henry. I met their son LeRoy W. Freeman a
Merchant at Newborn on the occassion of my visit there 3 years ago.
[NTG note- in light of what is now known about this family, this next
paragraph appears to be incorrect speculation of a family connection to
James Turner m Karenhappuch Norman on Mr. Crawford's part due to their
living in the same county in VA.]
Now to go further back with the Turners: away back there they were
related to the Normans, Meltons. Smith, Hills, Goodmans, and others.
James Turner m Karenhappuch Norman, dau. of Issac Norman (& Frances
Courtney) in Spotsylvania Co. Va in 1732. I have a spendid record of
their line. They moved to Luenburg co. Va or what is now Pittsylvania
Co. Va., sometimes during the 1730's. I have a copy of that James
Turner's Will. I am not positive but I believe Shadrack Turner and
Meshack Turner, James Turner, and John Turner were their sons. I know
that James Turner was their son, and that he was Sheriff and also
Captain of a company of Militia prior to and during the Rev. War. He
and his mother later moved to S. C. sometime during the 1870's.
Shadrack Turner and Meshack Turner lived in the same county. The clerk
sent me several old deeds made by them in their own handwriting, one is
dated in 1771, five years before the Declaration of Independence was
signed; another in 1782 and another in 1784. All are yellow with age,
but quite well preserved and can easily be read, although the
handwriting was somewhat different in those days from what it is now.
They used the expression "ye" and spoke of money in terms of "pounds,
shillings, and pence." I prize them quite highly as relics.
I have a copy of the will of the above Shadrack Turner. His
children were as follows: Elizabeth, John, Josiah, William, Mary,
Larkin, Jeremiah, and Exeony (dau.) All family names of the Turners.
The above Meshack Turner married Rebecca Robinson, in Halifax Co. VA
in 1760. Their children were: Meshack, John, James, Rebecca, Susannah,
Sally, Polly. They moved to Wilkes Co. Ga where both died. I have a
copy
of the administration of Meshack's estate in brief, and also a copy of
the Will of Rebecca in brief, but have been unsuccessful in getting both
in full. I have a copy of the will in full of their son Meshack Turner.
Their son Meshack was born in late 1760 or early 1761.
We have a tradition that Margaret Hill was quite wealthy and
prominent. She is said to have had a brother named William Hill. The
name Margaret Hill has come down through practically all branches even
to the present day. Great Grandmother Nancy (Turner) Crawford named one
of her daugs. Margaret Hill. My father was named Abel Hill Crawford.
He died in Tuskegee, Ala. about a year and a half ago. He owned all the
old estate lands down there, about 3,000 acres; also owned a store in
Tuskeegee and was at the time of his death Mayor of the place.
My father told me during his life time he remembered hearing his
grandfather Elisha G. Crawford say he was a relative of William Harris
Crawford the great Georgia Statesman.
It is my intention to continue my efforts in learning if possible
who the parents were of Uncle Dick and Grandma Nancy, etc.
I have written quite a lengthy letter but I trust it will entertain
you, and if you think of anything more that would be of interest, or if
you have the name and address of any one whom you think might possibly
give me some information regarding the Turners, I will thank you to give
me thier names and addresses.
With best Wishes,
Most Sincerely,
J. A. Crawford
1205 Stahlman Bldg, Nashville, Tenn.
P.S. you will note that the name Greene Turner does not appear as a son
in the list given me by cousin Nancy Freeman. Will you please advise me
regarding this.
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Nancy Turner Grogan
bilgro@netdoor.com
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Subj: Re: Comp #338 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc
Date: 98-01-14 10:33:13 EST
From: Missus B
To: NCreed1
Dear Nyla,
I, too, am researching Turners, although I'm sure not working very hard at
it! Here's what I have, taken from the book Our Reeves by Reeves and Hoke:
1. Charles C. Turner b. 1784 NC (acc to 1850 IL census) m. Rebecca
__________
He had 80 acres Crawford County IL (or more). d. 22 Jan 1851 Crawford County
IL His children, according to Will-Estate Papers Bk.F, p. 199, Crawford
County IL {our research indicates no such will book exists} at Robinson:
2. Thomas C. Turner b. c1816 TN or KY
3. Nancy Turner b. c 1818 KY m. Jonathan Rogers b. c1814 KY
4. Louisa Turner b. c 1824 KY m. Matthew Ward (conflicting info
on birth)
5. Polly Turner b. c 1822 KY m. Jackson Rogers b. c1815-1820 TN
6. Martha Perline (Patzey) Turner b. c1828 KY m. FOUR times,
including McGuire, Snoden, Conrad, and Myers
7. Sarah Malinda Turner b. c1832 KY m. George White, then John
VanWinkle
8. Charlotte TTurner b. c1834 KY m. James McGuire b. c1818 KY
9. John C. Turner b. c1837 KY m. Ellen ___________
10. Jesse Mitchel Turner b. c1839 KY m. Mary L. Van Winkle
My line of descent is through Nancy Turner, who married Jonathan Rogers.
Other sources indicate Nancy's middle initial was E, for Elliott. I wonder if
that was her mother Rebecca's maiden name. We've found nothing about Rebecca,
except a death record for an elderly Rebecca Turner (age 99+) who died in 1884
in Palestine IL. She was buried in the Palestine cemetery, but we did not
find a stone for her there.
Does anybody know anything about Rebecca? Or more about Charles? I do
have some records for Thomas C. "Curts" Turner, if anybody's interested.
Pam -- missusb@aol.com
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Subj: Re: Comp #338 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc
Date: 98-01-14 10:33:13 EST
From: Missus B
To: NCreed1
Dear Nyla,
I, too, am researching Turners, although I'm sure not working very hard at
it! Here's what I have, taken from the book Our Reeves by Reeves and Hoke:
1. Charles C. Turner b. 1784 NC (acc to 1850 IL census) m. Rebecca
__________
He had 80 acres Crawford County IL (or more). d. 22 Jan 1851 Crawford County
IL His children, according to Will-Estate Papers Bk.F, p. 199, Crawford
County IL {our research indicates no such will book exists} at Robinson:
2. Thomas C. Turner b. c1816 TN or KY
3. Nancy Turner b. c 1818 KY m. Jonathan Rogers b. c1814 KY
4. Louisa Turner b. c 1824 KY m. Matthew Ward (conflicting info
on birth)
5. Polly Turner b. c 1822 KY m. Jackson Rogers b. c1815-1820 TN
6. Martha Perline (Patzey) Turner b. c1828 KY m. FOUR times,
including McGuire, Snoden, Conrad, and Myers
7. Sarah Malinda Turner b. c1832 KY m. George White, then John
VanWinkle
8. Charlotte TTurner b. c1834 KY m. James McGuire b. c1818 KY
9. John C. Turner b. c1837 KY m. Ellen ___________
10. Jesse Mitchel Turner b. c1839 KY m. Mary L. Van Winkle
My line of descent is through Nancy Turner, who married Jonathan Rogers.
Other sources indicate Nancy's middle initial was E, for Elliott. I wonder if
that was her mother Rebecca's maiden name. We've found nothing about Rebecca,
except a death record for an elderly Rebecca Turner (age 99+) who died in 1884
in Palestine IL. She was buried in the Palestine cemetery, but we did not
find a stone for her there.
Does anybody know anything about Rebecca? Or more about Charles? I do
have some records for Thomas C. "Curts" Turner, if anybody's interested.
Pam -- missusb@aol.com
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ubj: Packwood
Date: 98-01-14 21:37:11 EST
From: chrisdawson@hotmail.com (chris dawson)
To: ncreed1@aol.com
Subject: Packwood
Content-Type: text/plain
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:48:43 PST
Packwood Continued Descendants of Edith (Ruth) Packwood
1 Edith (Ruth) Packwood b: August 10, 1788 in
Patrick Co Va d: Abt.
1862 in Estill Springs Franklin or Coffee Co Tenn
... +John McCutchin (McCutchinson) m: February 10, 1813 in
Patrick Co Va
d: 1842 in near Estill Springs Franklin Co Tenn Father: James McCutchin
Mother:
.......... 2 Elizabeth McCrutchen b: 1815
.......... 2 George Turner McCrutchen b: 1816
in Va
.............. +Catherine H Ragan m: 1843
Father: Mother:
.......... 2 Ruth A McCutchen b: 1817
.............. +Felix Dodson Grundy Stamps
Father: Mother:
.......... 2 Gordon C McCrutchen b: 1821 in Ind
d: 1906
.............. +Mary S Corn m: 1849 Father:
Mother:
.......... 2 Permelia McCrutchen
.............. +John Hinton Jones
Father: Mother:
.......... 2 James McCutchen b: 1780 d: 1842 in TENN.
.............. +Elizabeth Jamison
Father: Mother:
..................... 3 John McCutchen
..................... 3 George McCutchen
..................... 3 Betsey McCutchen
.......... 2 John Packwood McCutchen b: 1829 d: 1879
in Texas
.............. +Mary Feeman m: Abt. 1870 b: 1843 in Tenn.
d: 1901 in Oak
Father: Mother:
..................... 3 John William McCutchen
..................... 3 Sam Bird McCutchen
..................... 3 James Robert McCutchen
..................... 3 George Lafayette McCutchen
.......... 2 Sam L McCrutchen
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Subj: Cumberland Co Ky research
Date: 98-01-14 22:48:44 EST
From: jdawson1@bellsouth.net (Joe Dawson)
Reply-to: jdawson1@bellsouth.net
To: ncreed1@AOL.com
In compilation 338 Jeanne and Bud Koopman worte of Turners in Cumberland
Co Ky. Please send me thie e mail address. All my research is in this
county on Packwoods, Applebys and Turners
Thanks
Chris
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Chris:
Try BKOOP1@aol.com
Be sure to let me know how you all are related. I just love it when someone
makes a connection.
Nyla
P.S.
Anytime you see an eMail address that doesn't have an extension, it probably
because it is AOL. Just add "@aol.com".
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