BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 98 : Issue 64 29 Sep 1998 Today's Topics: Tidbis & Oddbits Re: Tidbis & Oddbits Daniel Burnett and wife Susanna Bailiwick Re: Tidbis & Oddbits Re: Bailiwick "Bailiwick" Help! Re: Help! Sorry! (Was: Help!) Re: Help! Visa/MC [Fwd: LEFTWICH] My Burnett-Turner-Chaffin Line Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #61 To unsubscribe, email btrvetc-d-request@genealogy.org with the SUBJECT: UNSUBSCRIBE. To subscribe to the regular list, email btrvetc-l-request@genealogy.org with the SUBJECT: SUBSCRIBE You can also use the web page at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/BTRVETC/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:54:28 -0400 From: "Mitosis" <mitosis@preferred.com> To: "Btrvetc List" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org> Cc: "June" <jbbork@ix.netcom.com>, "Eunice" <ekirkman@swva.net> Subject: Tidbis & Oddbits Message-ID: <00be01bde8c6$b382bbe0$0f358acd@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to clean the barn loft... figured to remove all the old bits of "Hay", tabacco sticks, etc. and use this space for needed storage. Behind a rafter, 2 old "ice" markers, which did not go un-noticed by my grandson. Well, it's time for an ice-tea anyways, and this loft is a hot place to be working. As we sit on the back porch, the grandson has run enough water into the ole washtub to clean a fair size mule, adding about 3 #10 cans of powders he figures this is about right to clean up 2 ice-markers, 8-10 inches square and 3/16 inches thick ... I nod my head in agreement. Now what did you say these were used for grandad?... Well if I've learned naught of my grandson, best start as the begining else his interrogation will make "Star" look like a piker. We didn't always have refrigerators, before that "Ice Boxes", and prior "Spring House". "Ice Boxes", most were rather plain in appearence... others were art manifested in wood. They were free standing, about 6 foot in height, about 4 foot wide, about 2 foot deep. Now the reason for all those "abouts"... most were hand crafted and the size was somewhat controlled by need. A family of 12 would need larger, than one of 6. And it must fit the space grandmother alotted. Common to all, a compartment at the top, generally tin lined with small drain hole, to hold "blocks of ice". Below, compartments with shelving for "foodstuffs". Most plain, others with beautiful wood carving and brass hardware. The ice was collected from frozen ponds and rivers during winter, stored in the "Ice-House" insulated with hay. If natural pond was not available, such was construced for the purpose. Generally a merchant would operate the Ice House, tho I have seen Ice House of common. (guess they would call that a "cooperative" these days) Ice was delivered house to house via wagon and team... And finally my boy, the ice marker. A simple tin square, painted in four colors and within each colored space, a number. Most were colored Red, Green, Blue and White, however others may have a different color scheme... see, it was a local thing. As the "iceman" made his way from house to house he would look to the porch of the homes for the marker. With his ice tongs he grasp the block of ice, 10#, 15#, 20# and 25#, that which was indicated by the color at top of "ice marker", and fetch it to the home owner's "ice box". The "iceman" knew all the gossip there was to know, and passed on same, to each household in turn. Never saw a skinney iceman or one who had not just ate cake, pie or cookies at the home previous. All wore a huge leather apron and "BillyCap". They may have been another name for BillyCaps"... however that is all I ever heard them called. "Guess that's why you keep calling the refrigerator an icebox... huh, grandad. Does this look clean enough grandad?" ... I nodded my head in agreement. _Mitosis_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:26:04 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: Tidbis & Oddbits Message-ID: <360C187C.5C0A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mitosis wrote: > > Time to clean the barn loft... figured to remove all the old bits of > "Hay", tabacco sticks, etc. and use this space for needed storage. > > Behind a rafter, 2 old "ice" markers, which did not go un-noticed by my > grandson. Well, it's time for an ice-tea anyways, and this loft is a > hot place to be working. As we sit on the back porch, the grandson has > run enough water into the ole washtub to clean a fair size mule, adding > about 3 #10 cans of powders he figures this is about right to clean up 2 > ice-markers, 8-10 inches square and 3/16 inches thick > ... I nod my head in agreement. > > Now what did you say these were used for grandad?... Well if I've > learned naught of my grandson, best start as the begining else his > interrogation will make "Star" look like a piker. We didn't always have > refrigerators, before that "Ice Boxes", and prior "Spring House". > > "Ice Boxes", most were rather plain in appearence... others were art > manifested in wood. They were free standing, about 6 foot in height, > about 4 foot wide, about 2 foot deep. Now the reason for all those > "abouts"... most were hand crafted and the size was somewhat controlled > by need. A family of 12 would need larger, than one of 6. And it must > fit the space grandmother alotted. > > Common to all, a compartment at the top, generally tin lined with small > drain hole, to hold "blocks of ice". Below, compartments with shelving > for "foodstuffs". Most plain, others with beautiful wood carving and > brass hardware. > > The ice was collected from frozen ponds and rivers during winter, stored > in the "Ice-House" insulated with hay. If natural pond was not > available, such was construced for the purpose. Generally a merchant > would operate the Ice House, tho I have seen Ice House of common. (guess > they would call that a "cooperative" these days) Ice was delivered > house to house via wagon and team... And finally my boy, the ice > marker. > > A simple tin square, painted in four colors and within each colored > space, a number. Most were colored Red, Green, Blue and White, however > others may have a different color scheme... see, it was a local thing. > As the "iceman" made his way from house to house he would look to the > porch of the homes for the marker. With his ice tongs he grasp the > block of ice, 10#, 15#, 20# and 25#, that which was indicated by the > color at top of "ice marker", and fetch it to the home owner's "ice > box". The "iceman" knew all the gossip there was to know, and passed on > same, to each household in turn. Never saw a skinney iceman or one who > had not just ate cake, pie or cookies at the home previous. All wore a > huge leather apron and "BillyCap". They may have been another name for > BillyCaps"... however that is all I ever heard them called. > > "Guess that's why you keep calling the refrigerator an icebox... huh, > grandad. Does this look clean enough grandad?" > ... I nodded my head in agreement. > > _Mitosis_ Great! June ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:44:42 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: "BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org" <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org> Subject: Daniel Burnett and wife Susanna Message-ID: <360C1CDA.20B5@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Colony of Virginia issued a patent on 3 Oct 1734 to DANIEL BURNETT for 490 acres; location noted as "Beginning on NW side of a path that goes from EDWARD MALOYS to where ABEL PEARSON dwelt (Virginia Land Patent Bk 15:325; Tract 130, Map 3). The tract lies 2 miles south of present-day Charles Town and the "path" mentioned is most likely a race tract. Moloy had land S. of Burnetts on the N. fork of Bullskin Run and Pearson was in the Berryville area. Patrick Sims, a "physician of Prince George Co, Maryland" filed a lawsuit on 20 Dec 1735 wherein he made a sworn statement before David Crawford and Thomas Clagett "Gent Justices" which was certified by A. Contee. Clerk of the Court, that on 20 Mar 1731/2, DANIEL BARNETT owned him 8 pounds, 4 shillings for Smith's tools, a pair of bellows, anvil, vise, etc (Dorman, Orange Co, Virginia Deed Bk 3 & 4, Judgements, p.94). On the same day the suit was filed, Sims appt. ISRAEL FRIEND of Prince William Co, Va, my atty to recover from DANIEL BARNETT in Prince William Co, Va, blacksmith, 8 pounds, 4 shillings with interest. In 1732, a county court did not exist west of the Blue Ridge in present day Jefferson Co, W. Virginia where FRIEND & BURNETT lived; consequently the reference to Prince William County was the closest county seat. In Jan 1734/5, Orange County was established and the payment of debt summons for DANIEL BURNETT was issued by the Court to Gideon Marr, Deputy Sheriff for the east side of the Blue Ridge; he returned the summons to the Orange Court on 21 July 1736, saying, "can't find DANIEL BURNETT within my bailiwick." Finally, Thomas Postgate, Deputy Sheriff for Orange Co in the area on the west side of the Blue Ridge, reported back to the Court on 15 Sep 1736 that "a copy left at the house of Barnetts." Daniel Burnett and his wife Susanna sold 300 acres (the NW part) of their 490 acre patent land near Evitts Run to William Davis on 3 Sep 1745; they then sold the remaining SE part of 190 acres to Samuel Walker on 3 oct 1745 (Frederick Co, Va Deed Bk 1:242, 250). Burnett did not purchase other land in Frederick County and may have left the area. However, an Alexander and John Burnett are listed as chain carriers on three surveys of land in the present day Charles Town/Harper's Ferry area during 1762 and 1763 (Joyner, Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys, Vol. II:86,143,160). From Pioneers of Old Frederick Co, Va by Cecil O'Dell, Walsworth Publishing Co, 1995, p.99). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:05:57 -0400 From: "Mitosis" <mitosis@preferred.com> To: "June" <jbbork@ix.netcom.com> Cc: "Btrvetc List" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org> Subject: Bailiwick Message-ID: <008901bde90c$31060780$14358acd@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >~ he returned the summons to the Orange Court on 21 July 1736, saying, "can't find DANIEL BURNETT within my bailiwick." ~ BAILIWICK... now there's a word my elders used all the time, general meaning... "I know nothing about the subject at hand". Now I can understand the "BAILI" part... June, do you have an idea what the "WICK" had reference? Suppose in itself it would indicate some define area, but were "Parishs", counties whatever, called Wicks? Interesting story about Daniel, enjoyed the read. _Mitosis_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:15:51 EDT From: Bervi@aol.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: Tidbis & Oddbits Message-ID: <cd3913af.360c7887@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mitosis, Icebox? Only city folks had those things. My great-grandma had a spring house. Shed about 12 foot square built over a square hole in the ground near the spring. Water ran through the house. Milk kept in cans standing in the water, smoked hams hung from the rafters. Cool, dark, damp, and smelled like Christmas dinner. Makes me weep to think her children bulldozed the entire place. The spring is still there, feeding a 2 acre pond above which one of the kids built a house using the foundation rocks for the new fireplace...That's what they called progress. Pity. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:27:19 EDT From: Bervi@aol.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: Bailiwick Message-ID: <711fb946.360c7b37@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit bailiwick: 1. district over which a bailiff or bailie has authority. bailie: official of a Scottish town or city corresponding to an English alderman. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:44:34 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: "BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org" <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org> Subject: "Bailiwick" Message-ID: <360CFDD2.3977@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1886 Webster Dictionary meaning of "Bailiwick:" "jurisdiction of a bailiff, which signifies station, residence, from wic, a dwelling place; (Law): The precincts in which a bailiff has jurisdiction; the limits of a bailiff's authority." The term of "Bailiwick" was used in court records for many years. I do not know when they stopped using it, but apparently after 1886 when this dictionary was printed. The sheriff or Justice of Peace had certain districts to care for. A court order was given to a Justice of Peace or sheriff to find a certain person and either bring them in as a witness or arrest them or to take a deposition if they lived a long distance from the courthouse or if unable to travel. In the 1700 records, a sheriff or JP was responsible for the appearance of someone in Court and if he didn't bring them in, he was charged so many pounds of tobacco. Sickness of JP or Sheriff was excused by court. Maybe someone else has had other experiences with "Bailiwick." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:03:32 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: "BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org" <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org> Subject: Help! Message-ID: <360D0244.2CF5@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cousins: Do any of you know how to get Visa/ Mastercharge for selling books? Have had many requests to charge the Burnett books and I don't know where to begin, but thought I should apply for them. I know this is probably not ethical to present to this group, but beings you are all my family, maybe you will excuse me this time. /s/ June http://www.junebaldwinbork.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:35:48 -0500 From: "Paula Ward" <pward@express-news.net> To: <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org> Subject: Re: Help! Message-Id: <199809261637.LAA27780@tha.express-news.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit June, Probably a good place to get the basic info would be your bank. I work for Trinity University in the Development Office, and a few years ago, we started accepting donations to the university through Visa, Mastercard and American Express. Let me tell you, it's not cheap. American Express is very expensive. These companies charge a fee to the companies who use their services. Ask your bank what the fees are like. It may not be worthwhile for you to do this at all. Paula Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.^� ---------- > From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com > To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org > Subject: Help! > Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 10:03 AM > > Cousins: Do any of you know how to get Visa/ Mastercharge for selling > books? Have had many requests to charge the Burnett books and I don't > know where to begin, but thought I should apply for them. I know this > is probably not ethical to present to this group, but beings you are all > my family, maybe you will excuse me this time. /s/ June > http://www.junebaldwinbork.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:42:58 -0500 From: "Paula Ward" <pward@express-news.net> To: <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org> Subject: Sorry! (Was: Help!) Message-Id: <199809261644.LAA28308@tha.express-news.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry, folks, I hit the reply button while still tired from too much computer work. I meant to send my message only to June. Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.^� ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:43:07 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: Help! Message-ID: <360D6DFB.7E9C@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Paula Ward wrote: > > June, > > Probably a good place to get the basic info would be your bank. I work for > Trinity University in the Development Office, and a few years ago, we > started accepting donations to the university through Visa, Mastercard and > American Express. Let me tell you, it's not cheap. American Express is > very expensive. These companies charge a fee to the companies who use > their services. Ask your bank what the fees are like. It may not be > worthwhile for you to do this at all. > > Paula > > Paula Kelley Ward > San Antonio, Texas > pward@express-news.net > "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.^� > > ---------- > > From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com > > To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org > > Subject: Help! > > Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 10:03 AM > > > > Cousins: Do any of you know how to get Visa/ Mastercharge for selling > > books? Have had many requests to charge the Burnett books and I don't > > know where to begin, but thought I should apply for them. I know this > > is probably not ethical to present to this group, but beings you are all > > my family, maybe you will excuse me this time. /s/ June > > http://www.junebaldwinbork.com > > Thank you very very much. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:51:00 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: "BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org" <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org> Subject: Visa/MC Message-ID: <360D6FD4.6E27@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you everyone for all your help. You all advised the same thing, so I now know how to proceed. /s/ June ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:57:45 -0400 From: Judith Prince <jprince@cwv.net> To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: [Fwd: LEFTWICH] Message-ID: <360FDC29.2520@cwv.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------14256C405D64" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------14256C405D64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding this message. I would also like to know of any connection between the Wood and Leftwich lines in Bedford. Thanks, Judy --------------14256C405D64 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <VABEDFOR-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by ns1.cwv.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA16524 for <jprince@cwv.net>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:05:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09336; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360E8B9B.3B6C@pilot.infi.net> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:01:47 -0700 From: "Beverly L. Yeager" <bevelma@pilot.infi.net> Reply-To: bevelma@pilot.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SurferKit (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: LEFTWICH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"88NzIC.A.YQC.iGmD2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/296 X-Loop: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: VABEDFOR-L-request@rootsweb.com My great grandmother was Orphy Jane Leftwich who married Christopher Ammon Burnett (early 1800's). Does anyone have information on the Leftwich family? I really would appreciate help on this line. Beverly L. Yeager ==== VABEDFOR Mailing List ==== For assistance with problems on this list, contact: owner-VABEDFOR@lists2.rootsweb.com --------------14256C405D64-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:21:30 -0700 From: "Beverly L. Yeager" <bevelma@pilot.infi.net> To: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org Subject: My Burnett-Turner-Chaffin Line Message-ID: <361019FA.181E@pilot.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Joshua Chaffin.... b 1814 Bedford County, VA.... d Nov 18, 1891 Bedford County.... m Lurena Margaret Turner on Feb 10, 1842. Lurena was b 1816 Bedford County.... d in Bedford County. 2. William H. Chaffin.... b May 5, 1845 Bedford County.... d June 9, 1890 Bedford County m Emaline L.Overstreet on Dec 20, 1865 Bedford County. Emaline was b Jan 21, 1846 Bedford County.... d Oct 12, 1923 Bedford County. 3. John William Chaffin.... b Oct 8, 1866 Bedford County.... d May 20, 1918 Danville, VA m Bettie Banks Burnette on Nov 19, 1890 Bedford, VA. Bettie was b March 24, 1871 Bedford County.... d Aug 5, 1954 Martinsville, VA. 4. Hallie James Chaffin.... b Sept 28, 1897 Bedford County.... d June 3, 1975 Virginia Beach, VA m Beverley Crowder (B.C.) Lipford on Aug 11, 1917 Yanceyville, NC..... B.C. was b Aug 2, 1887 Pittsylvania County.... d March 2, 1968 Martinsville, VA. 5. Beverly Ann Lipford.... b Feb 14, 1938 Martinsville, VA m Carroll Van Gasken Yeager, Junior on June 12, 1965. Does anyone have any information on Lurena Margaret Turner? Beverly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:44:17 EDT From: JJKALI@aol.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #61 Message-ID: <a0bde83f.36103b71@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello fellow Turner hunters: My printer has decided to quit, so some of this is from memory. Noted a posting re an Elijah and Jesse. There is a possibility the Elijah could be Elisha due to the way folks made the (s) in the 1700's it tended to look like either an s or j. I have an Elisha Turner b. where unknown appears in VT in 1781, born ca 1755-1760 and served in the Rev. War in Castleton, Vt. He had a son that he named Jesse. Other children William, Lydia, Joseph, Hannah and possibly Abigail! The Elisha, Elijah, Jesse, William, Robert and Richard names are very common in the Humphrey Turner (wife Lydia Gaymer, Gamer) about 1640. I still have not been able to find his parents or siblings but family lore has him born in CT (my gf. also moved to CT from VT in the 1890's then back to VT about 1898). There was a Thomas Turner who went south from MA/CT but need to dig through piles of EMails to wrap this one up tighter. Is Abermarle Co. and Royalton Co. in MD or in VA? Probably added more to the confusion. June Turner Kalipolites in NH -------------------------------- End of btrvetc-d Digest V98 Issue #64 *************************************