BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 98 : Issue 71
30 Oct 1998
Today's Topics:
Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett
Re: Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett
Elizabeth Burnett
Williams family
Williams family
ReVisited
CORRECTION... ReVisited
Delete ReVisited
Re: ReVisited
Cause of Death
Re-Visit
Introducing Sonny Griffith
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:56:54 EST
From: BEColvin@aol.com
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Subject: Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett
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Do any of you know this Elizabeth Burnett?
note Missouri Burnett is dangling at the end of the page.
Can anyone help me fill in the blanks below? That would be great.
Beth in FL
3 David Williams b.July 3, 1808-d. 1890 md. Oct. 4,1831 Hillsville, VA
> spouse: Elizabeth BURNETT , 1814-1895 Hillsville, VA
> 4. Mary Williams b.1832 md. William Davis
> 4. Clark Williams b 1833
> 4. Elisha Williams b. 1835 died age 14
> 4. Samuel Williams b. 1837-1921
> 4. Absolom Williams b. 1838-1880
> 4. Calvin Williams b. 1840-
> 4. Canada Williams b. 1842-1924
> 4. Rebecca Williams b. 1844-1918 md. Azariah Lundy
> 4. Hannah Williams b. 1846- 1916
> 4. Sarah Jane Williams b. 1848-1934
> 4. Carrie Elizabeth Williams b. 1850- 1914 md. Leftwich
> 4. Lafayette Williams b. 1852
> 4. Charity R. Williams b. 1854 md. Franklin P. Edwards
> 4. Ardena (Rhoda) Williams b.1858-1931 md. Daniel
Rufus "Jackson" WILLIAMS1819 (married 1839) Hillsville, VA
Spouse Jane EDWARDS 1824-1891 age 68 consumption
their son Missouri Williams 1866 md.Thomas Burnett died 4/3/1895 of spasmodic
fits
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:20:05 -0500
From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" <ekirkman@swva.net>
To: "BTRVETC-L" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett
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I can't tell you about the Burnetts, but I hope this Williams file will give
you some clues. As you can see, some of it is presumptious, but most of it
was taken from public records of Patrick, Carroll, Floyd, and Montgomery
Counties.
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1. --- Williams. We really don't know who this gentleman was, and there
seems to be little evidence of Samuel other than his
daughter, Rebecca's, death record. We include them together this way in
order to solidify the records. The name Williams was
plentiful in Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina. These men may not have
been brothers at all, but were likely cousins. Other
people are researching this family and it is possible we will have more
information in the very near future.
Children:
2. i Samuel Williams b. abt 1765.
3. ii Aaron Williams b. abt 1770.
4. iii Phillip Williams b. 1773.
5. iv James Williams b. ca 1775.
6. v William Williams b. ca 1780.
Second Generation
2. Samuel Williams b. abt 1765, Virginia, m. 18-Aug-1787, in Craven, NC,
Lavinia "Winey" Martin, b. ca 1770, North Carolina, d.
unknown.
Children:
7. i Rebecca "Becky" Williams b. 1796.
3. Aaron Williams b. abt 1770, VA, m. 25-Sep-1794, in Patrick Co., VA,
Elizabeth Lee, b. abt 1779, Patrick Co., VA, (daughter of
John Lee and Sarah Jane Brazill) d. Virginia.
Children:
8. i John B. Williams b. abt 1795.
9. ii Joshua Williams b. abt 1802.
10. iii Caleb F. Williams b. 1808.
4. Phillip Williams b. 1773, Virginia, m. 1804, in Virginia, Jane Poag, b.
1779, Virginia, d. 1851, Floyd Co., VA. Phillip died
7-Apr-1834, Floyd Co., VA. Jane: A descendant of the family of President
James Polk.
Children:
11. i Joseph Williams b. Sept. 1813.
ii John Williams b. 1-Sep-1817, Floyd Co., VA, d. 4-Dec-1880.
12. iii James R. Williams b. ca 1815.
iv Elizabeth Williams b. 14-Aug-1801, Floyd Co., VA.
13. v Sarah Williams b. 15-Oct-1815.
vi Isobel Williams.
5. James Williams b. ca 1775, Virginia, m. (1) 18-Sep-1799, in Halifax Co.,
VA, Sarah (Sally) Crews, b. 1780, Halifax Co., VA,
(daughter of Richard (Cruise) Crews and Sarah Redman) m. (2) 12-Dec-1813, in
Patrick Co., VA, Jane Reeves, b. 1795, Virginia.
Children by Jane Reeves:
14. i James Williams b. 1818.
15. ii Creed T. Williams b. 1838.
6. William Williams b. ca 1780, Virginia, m. 14-Apr-1804, in Pittsylvania
Co., VA, Mary Elizabeth May, b. ca 1780, Virginia?, d.
unknown. Mary: Possibly the daughter of John and Susannah (Porter) May.
Children:
16. i Powhatan Williams b. 1813.
17. ii Hector Williams b. ca 1815.
Third Generation
7. Rebecca "Becky" Williams b. 1796, PCVA, m. 17-Dec-1822, in Patrick Co.,
VA, Jacob Helms, b. abt 1800, Virginia, (son of Adam Helm
and Constance Webb). Rebecca died 10-Jun-1856, Patrick Co., VA. Cause of
death, Dropsy. (Congestive Heart Failure).
Children:
i Samuel Helms b. 7-Sep-1839, Patrick Co., VA, m. 7-Mar-1861, in
Patrick Co., VA, Ruth A. Handy, b. 1840, Patrick Co.,
VA, (daughter of James Handy and Nancy Hughes). Samuel died
8-Jun-1862, Patrick Co., VA. Cause of death: "Catarrhal
Fever."
ii Thomas J. Helms b. 1838, Patrick Co., VA, m. 7-Oct-1858, in
Patrick Co., VA, Louisa J. Whaling, b. abt 1840. Thomas
-1-
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:30:37 -0800
From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com
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Elizabeth Burnett was the illegimate daughter of Anna Burnett, b. 1778
Va; d. 1847. Beings you gave the birth and death dates of the Williams
children, I am assuming you have their Bible Record. In there, it
states that Anna never married but had 3 children:
1. Rebecca Burnett; never married but had 3 sons
2. Elisha Burnett
3. Elizabeth Burnett, b. 20 May 1814; d. 23 Oct 1895.
The marriage of Elizabeth Burnett to David Williams was in Grayson Co,
Va. The Bondsman was Samuel Williams. David was son of Samuel Williams
Sr. and Anne Newman. Elizabeth's mother Anna Burnett gave her consent.
Sorry, I can't help with Missouri Williams. June
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:29:26 EST
From: NCreed1@aol.com
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Williams family
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In a message dated 10/27/98 7:47:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ekirkman@swva.net writes:
<< 4. Phillip Williams b. 1773, Virginia, m. 1804, in Virginia, Jane Poag, b.
1779, Virginia, d. 1851, Floyd Co., VA. Phillip died
7-Apr-1834, Floyd Co., VA. Jane: A descendant of the family of President
James Polk. >>
I found the following info on the Phillip and Jane (Poag) WILLIAMS family.
Descendants of Phillip Williams
1 Phillip Williams b: 1773 d: 7 Apr 1834
+Jane Poag b: 1779 d: 1851
2 Joseph Williams b: Sep 1813 d: 1875
+Susan Huff b: 1825 d: 1902 Father: Isaac Huff Mother: Elizabeth
Winfrey
3 Elizabeth Jane Williams
+Edward Howery
3 Mary Williams
+Elbert Young
*2nd Husband of Mary Williams:
+Daily Akers
3 John Franklin Williams b: 1850 d: 1888
+Martha Moore Father: Noah B Moore
4 Joseph Williams
4 Jerome Williams
4 Jesse Williams
4 Isaac Williams
4 Frank Williams
4 William Williams
4 Maude Williams
4 Peter Williams
4 John Williams
3 Jacob Og Williams b: 1856 d: 1916
+Clementine Moore Father: Noah B Moore
4 Susan Williams
4 Peter Williams
4 Luther Williams
4 Child Williams
3 James Peter Williams
+Rena J Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham
3 Tula Williams
+Samuel Thomas Father: Pleasant Thomas Mother: Amanda
Nolen
3 Isaac Phillip Williams b: 1847 d: Abt. 1914
+Bertie Robertson Father: Thomas L Robertson Mother:
Perminta (Graham?) Underwood
4 Lula Williams
4 Lila Williams
4 Tom Williams
4 Child Williams
3 George Bright Williams b: 1866 d: Abt. 1920
+Iowa E Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham
2 John Williams b: 1 Sep 1817 d: 4 Dec 1880
+Amanda Lemon b: 15 Jan 1828 d: 21 Feb 1906 Father: Isaac Lemon,
Sr Mother: Sallie Young
3 Minerva Jane Williams
+John H Cannaday Father: William A Cannaday Mother: Sarah
J Shelor
4 Samuel Richard Cannaday
+Annie Williams Father: Tazewell Williams
4 Ada Cannaday
+Unknown Whipple
4 Dexter Peter Cannaday
+Bessie Vermillion Father: Unknown Vermillion
4 Fannie May Cannaday
2 James R Williams
2 Elizabeth Williams
2 Sarah Williams
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:56:54 EST
From: NCreed1@aol.com
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Williams family
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In a message dated 10/27/98 7:47:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ekirkman@swva.net writes:
<< 4. Phillip Williams b. 1773, Virginia, m. 1804, in Virginia, Jane Poag, b.
1779, Virginia, d. 1851, Floyd Co., VA. Phillip died
7-Apr-1834, Floyd Co., VA. Jane: A descendant of the family of President
James Polk. >>
I found the following info on the Phillip and Jane (Poag) WILLIAMS family.
Descendants of Phillip Williams
1 Phillip Williams b: 1773 d: 7 Apr 1834
+Jane Poag b: 1779 d: 1851
2 Joseph Williams b: Sep 1813 d: 1875
+Susan Huff b: 1825 d: 1902 Father: Isaac Huff Mother: Elizabeth
Winfrey
3 Elizabeth Jane Williams
+Edward Howery
3 Mary Williams
+Elbert Young
*2nd Husband of Mary Williams:
+Daily Akers
3 John Franklin Williams b: 1850 d: 1888
+Martha Moore Father: Noah B Moore
4 Joseph Williams
4 Jerome Williams
4 Jesse Williams
4 Isaac Williams
4 Frank Williams
4 William Williams
4 Maude Williams
4 Peter Williams
4 John Williams
3 Jacob Og Williams b: 1856 d: 1916
+Clementine Moore Father: Noah B Moore
4 Susan Williams
4 Peter Williams
4 Luther Williams
4 Child Williams
3 James Peter Williams
+Rena J Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham
3 Tula Williams
+Samuel Thomas Father: Pleasant Thomas Mother: Amanda
Nolen
3 Isaac Phillip Williams b: 1847 d: Abt. 1914
+Bertie Robertson Father: Thomas L Robertson Mother:
Perminta (Graham?) Underwood
4 Lula Williams
4 Lila Williams
4 Tom Williams
4 Child Williams
3 George Bright Williams b: 1866 d: Abt. 1920
+Iowa E Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham
2 John Williams b: 1 Sep 1817 d: 4 Dec 1880
+Amanda Lemon b: 15 Jan 1828 d: 21 Feb 1906 Father: Isaac Lemon,
Sr Mother: Sallie Young
3 Minerva Jane Williams
+John H Cannaday Father: William A Cannaday Mother: Sarah
J Shelor
4 Samuel Richard Cannaday
+Annie Williams Father: Tazewell Williams
4 Ada Cannaday
+Unknown Whipple
4 Dexter Peter Cannaday
+Bessie Vermillion Father: Unknown Vermillion
4 Fannie May Cannaday
2 James R Williams
2 Elizabeth Williams
2 Sarah Williams
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:30:21 -0500
From: "Mitosis" <mitosis@preferred.com>
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Subject: ReVisited
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Shadrack1 and John1... Re-Visted
An attempt to tweak the birthdate of Shadrack... and children
John1 is thought to have been born in England in approx 1689. The
"Caroline" record would seem to place his death about 1742/43, yeilding
an approx lifespan of 54yrs... ie 1743 - 1689 = 54
The marriage date for John1 & Elizabeth Brashear (?), from Queen Ann's
Parish Record, July 01, 1718.
John would have been (1718 - 1689 = 29) married at 29yrs
Brashear tree would indicate that Elizabeth was b. July 16, 1699
(1718 - 1699 = 19) Married at 19yrs
Several DOB are offered for Shadrack1, believe 1720 to 1728 would
embrace all those offered.
This places John at 29yrs, and Elizabeth, 19yrs when married;
John 31yrs, Elizabeth 21yrs when Shadrack was born.
(Assuming the 1720 birthdate given for Shadrack is reasonably accurate)
This seems to be a good fit inasmuch as first child is generally born
1/2 years after marriage
With the marriage date, being only that appears to be sourced in a solid
foundation, would suggest any movement of above dates must be controlled
by same.
And note for the record, some still question John1 as that contained in
the Parrish record. Also, an additional marriage for Shadrack is
suggested.
Hope this accurately list all opposing views.
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Shadrack...
The birthdate of 1720, is most offered for Shadrack. I know not it's
orgin.
Shadrack is assumed to have been at least 16yrs in 1742, (Based on
findings in Caroline record regarding assignment of orphans in 1742).
Therefore as a jumping off point, have Shadrack as (1742 - 16 = 1726).
1726 would be the latest birthdate for Shadrack, that will conform to
the assignment.
At this point would have:
Shadrack Turner, b. [1720-1726]
Married Ann abt 1745 (no source for this, tradiation?)
Shadrack was [19-25yrs] when married. Ann was ?? yrs
Children are:
John M. b.1747 d.1812
Elizabeth b.1750 d.1845
Josiah b. 1751 d.1838
William b.1753 d.1845
Mary b.1760 d.1810
Larkington b.1764 d.1825
Jeremiah b.1765 d.1830
Exony b.1771 d.1820-1830
Above dates are best available at this time to my knowledge. (Request
any and all corrections to any of above) The only date we can source
being William.
However, would suggest birthdates of children lack creditability. We
have a seven year reach between William and Mary, and six years between
Jeremiah and Exony... If I suggest that Ann would not likely bear
children after age of 50yrs, then it would follow that first child was
born approx 1721... and the last no later than 1754? This calculation
assumes Ann to be at least 16yrs at birth of Shadrack in 1720/21.
It is certainly possible that "stillborn" or otherwise early death has
caused additional children to go un-recorded. Two missing children for
Ann have been proferred, ?? Turner born before 1763 and died
before1783, and Minerva Turner... and of course these two could actually
be one in the same, rather than two. I dunno.
If Shadrack was married twice, it would seem that the "first" marriage
would have to the one of "no record" inasmuch as Shadrack's Will names
"Ann" as his wife, 1783/84. There is sufficent time frame to allow for
same, but I personally don't feel comfortable with two marriages for
Shadrack, and does naught to solve riddle of Shadrack's kids, as she
would be even older than "Ann".
Presently reviewing the DOB of Shadrack's kids... maybe there's
something there that I have missed.
Please share your thoughts with me... they don't have to be thoughts
inscribed in stone, just anything that might be, could be, should be
etc. I just need a fresh point of view, something else to consider.
And certainly any and all of the above is subject to correction and
encouraged...
_Mitosis_
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:32:27 -0500
From: "Mitosis" <mitosis@preferred.com>
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Subject: CORRECTION... ReVisited
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Seems I never get it correct the first time... in my revisited posting:
"There is sufficent time frame to allow for same"
should read
"There isn't sufficent time frame"
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:13:53 -0500
From: "Mitosis" <mitosis@preferred.com>
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Subject: Delete ReVisited
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aaah folks... just delete "Revisited" in total. It has some many
"typos" that it makes no sense at all !!!
Beg your pardon, will be more careful next time.
_Mitosis_
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:21:08 -0500
From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" <ekirkman@swva.net>
To: "BTRVETC-L" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>
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Shadrack Turner, et al birthdates revisited.
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I don't have any thoughts regarding the birth dates.... Without something
concrete to base them on, anybody's guess is as good as mine. I gave up
long ago in trying to estimate. I got new data on one family not long ago
with birthdates taken from a family bible. I had to redo the entire tree.
Some dates that I had were off 30-40 years. Now, I only ca a date if I have
a family member's that is pretty certain.
The most we can do is figure that new generation is ca 20 years after the
last. Best we can do, and with the men fertile into the seventies, with
several wives that we don't know about, these children's ages can range from
2 to 40.
Case in point, my gr-gr-grandfather was 64 when he was widowed. He
remarried a nineteen year old, and sired 3 more children. He had
grandchildren in their teens when the first was born. And, think about it,
these last three children were four years apart. My gr-gr-grandmother was
14 when they married, 15 when her first child was born, she was 42 when she
died. Out of several births to them, only four reached adulthood. Typhoid
fever nearly wiped them all out.
I have copies of the Patrick County Death records from 1853-1896. If you go
through them, you'll see several children in a family dying within a few
days of each other from fever. I spotted more than a few families who lost
all of their children. They had no defences against these deadly fevers,
typhoid, diptheria, measles, and in very small children, the mumps. With
children going barefoot almost year round, roundworms and hookworms took
their toll. So, don't mourn for the "good old days." They weren't.
Didn't mean to climb a soapbox. Cheers, everybody!
Eunice B. Kirkman ***** ekirkman@swva.net
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:22:02 -0800
From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Cause of Death
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Here are some more causes of death found in death records of Wayne Co,
Ky; mortality rate was high:
Neck broke in a fall
Struck by thunder
Choked to death on 1 grain of corn
Fell from horse
Fell in well
Smothered
Kicked in head by horse
Burned to death
drowned
Eating dirt
cancer
Child-bed fever
Cholera
Colic
Consumption
Consumtion with fits
Convulsions
diabetes
Diarrea
Dropsy
Fever
Fits
Flux
died of gravel (kidney stones?)
Inflamation of brain, of bowels, of lungs
Milk-leg
murdered
miscarriage
nephritis
old age
palsy
paralysis
pneumonia
rheumatism
stabbed
syphilis
worms
yellow fever
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:28:36 -0500
From: "Mitosis" <mitosis@preferred.com>
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Subject: Re-Visit
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Eunice wrote:
"~ Case in point, my gr-gr-grandfather was 64 when he was widowed. He
remarried a nineteen year old, and sired 3 more children. He had
grandchildren in their teens when the first was born. And, think about
it,
these last three children were four years apart. My gr-gr-grandmother
was
14 when they married, 15 when her first child was born, she was 42 when
she
died. Out of several births to them, only four reached adulthood.
Typhoid
fever nearly wiped them all out."
Heavens Eunice... with Glenn's space venture and your gggrand, does this
mean I might still be available? Well, me thinks it's a great ego
builder, however the mirror reflects the sad state of affairs it would
be for anyone to make that connection with this ole man!
Still, your point is well made... can't help lifting the cornor of the
rug and looking, tho I know better. The period between Shadrack & Ann's
children William & Mary (abt.7yr) just bugs me. I know children are
there and as stated, keep lifting that rug :=) As you noted thyoid
seemed to raise havoc in SWVA in that time frame. It's gets my vote as
the #1 killer in this area...
Thanks for the input...
_Mitosis_
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:37:35 -0500
From: "Marv Griffith" <esgriff@mnsinc.com>
To: "Btrvetc List" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>,
"Raleigh County WV Mail-List" <WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com>,
"Franklin County VA Mail-List" <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com>,
"Patrick County VA Mail-List" <VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com>
Subject: Introducing Sonny Griffith
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Hi Everyone,
I am new to the lists and want to introduce myself. My name is Sonny
Griffith, AKA Marvin Griffith, and I am researching the Griffith, Bryant,
Semones, Cochran, and Eanes lines, plus a considerable number of side
families some of which are Cannaday, Hall, Ingram, Lyon, Martin, Rakes,
Spencer, Thomas, Turner, Underwood, and Worsham. I have posted Outline
Descendant Tree files for the Griffith, Bryant, Cochran and Eanes families
plus a file listing everyone in my Family Tree Maker database on my home
page at www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/r/i/Marvin-C-Griffith-jr. My
biggest challenge right now is trying to find the parents of John Crafty
Griffith. Any help would be appreciated with him or with any of my lines
and hopefully my data will be of some benefit to some of you. Thanks.
Sonny Griffith
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