BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 99 : Issue 33
4 Jul 1999
Today's Topics:
Re: Yahoo/GeoCities
Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
Re: Yahoo/GeoCities
Yahoo/GeoCities
Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
Will of Francis Turner, d. 1804 Patrick Co. VA
FWD: William Burnett m. Margaret Finch, Campbell Co. VA, USA, 1818
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:49:40 -0400
From: "J.R.Burnett" <jrburnett@dragonbbs.com>
To: "BTRVETC-L" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>
Subject: Re: Yahoo/GeoCities
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Seems like a good time to boycott Yahoo. Regards, John
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:21:25 -0500
From: Eddie Vaden <evaden@home.com>
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
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Becky, I am one of the people that have 10 children listed for James
Turner & Mary of Bedford Co., VA, including Francis, Adam, etc.. This
came about after much discussion on this list.
"According to a published genealogy cira 1940 by Walter Hopkins of
Richmond, VA and others at about the same time, James' line came from
England and apparently was not related to the John/Shadrack line of
Patrick and Henry Counties, Virginia which were believed from Scotland.
However, more recent research in the Caroline County Order Books leads
several researchers to connect the families." - David Jones
(David Jones resides in Vinton, VA, I think, but I can't find his e-mail
address.)
I don't have the info from the Caroline County Order Books that is
referred to above, but that might be a location for us to research.
It does seem odd that James would not have deeded land to 4 of his sons,
but I have seen in many wills where a child would be bequeathed 1 dollar
"Plus whatever had been given him previously" but with no records being
found of any land being deeded to him. Was it possible that any of the
4 had died prior to 1761? Or married and moved to other locations?
Do you by any chance have a photocopy or scan of Francis Turner's will?
If so, I would love to have a copy.. Also do you have photos of the
pages of Adam Turner's Bible (Francis Turner's son)?
Eddie Vaden in Nashville, TN
<evaden@home.com>
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:36:24 -0400
From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" <ekirkman@swva.net>
To: "BTRVETC-L" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>
Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
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I would also like a copy of the will and the Bible record if one is
available. I have transcipts of the Caroline County Order Book pages.
And I'd like to comment that back in that day and time, according to English
law, the eldest son usually enherited the estate. In order to assure that
each child would have his part, the father would give either land or money
to those younger sons who would have otherwise gotten very little.
Eunice B. Kirkman ***** ekirkman@swva.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Eddie Vaden <evaden@home.com>
To: <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
> Do you by any chance have a photocopy or scan of Francis Turner's will?
> If so, I would love to have a copy.. Also do you have photos of the
> pages of Adam Turner's Bible (Francis Turner's son)?
>
> Eddie Vaden in Nashville, TN
> <evaden@home.com>
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:49:11 -0400
From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" <ekirkman@swva.net>
To: "BTRVETC-L" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>
Subject: Re: Yahoo/GeoCities
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Yahoo: Your Homestead's Your Own
by Declan McCullagh
4:30 p.m. 30.Jun.99.PDT
In response to a boycott and criticism from outraged customers, Yahoo late
Wednesday abandoned rules that had given it eternal ownership of all
GeoCities Web sites.
"We're seeing how we can clarify our intentions, given the recent outcry,"
said Tim Brady, Yahoo vice president of production.
The new terms of service, which took effect 3 p.m. PST Wednesday after
executives spent the morning huddling with lawyers, now stress that "Yahoo
does not own content you submit."
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----- Original Message -----
From: jbbork <jbbork@ix.netcom.com>
To: BTRVETC List <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:03 PM
Subject: Yahoo/GeoCities
> Just read the news that Yahoo now owns GeoCities and claims it owns all
> web pages, articles, and images on member sites and has "irrevocable"
> rights to them for all time. Your GeoCities web site is no longer your
> own.
> http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.htm
>
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:59:36 -0400
From: "_Mitosis_" <mitosis@preferred.com>
To: "List Bedford" <VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com>
Cc: "List Turner" <TURNER-L@rootsweb.com>,
"List Franklin" <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com>,
"List Floyd" <VAFLOYD-L@rootsweb.com>,
"List Btrvetc" <BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org>
Subject: Yahoo/GeoCities
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3:00 a.m. 29.Jun.99.PDT
If you're a GeoCities homesteader, be warned: Your Web site is no longer
your own. Yahoo, which launched its Yahoo-GeoCities site Monday, says it
owns all Web pages, articles, and images on member sites and has
"irrevocable" rights to them for all time.
(Interpretation: We'll steal it all and use for our commercial gain)
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4:30 p.m. 30.Jun.99.PDT
In response to a boycott and criticism from outraged customers, Yahoo late
Wednesday abandoned rules that had given it eternal ownership of all
GeoCities Web sites.
"We're seeing how we can clarify our intentions, given the recent outcry,"
said Tim Brady, Yahoo vice president of production.
(I really love that word... 'clarify')
The new terms of service, which took effect 3 p.m. PST Wednesday after
executives spent the morning huddling with lawyers, now stress that "Yahoo
does not own content you submit."
(Interpretation: Hum... let's get the pro's in here and see how we can lie
our why out of this mess... what?, oh hell yes... continue the archive, I
can always sell the mail list to Porn and Spam dudes)
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_Mitosis_
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:35:54 EDT
From: JJBB343@aol.com
To: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org (BTRVETC-L)
Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
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Eddie and Eunice,
I wish I could say that I have actual photocopies of Francis Turner's will
and the Adam Turner Bible records, but I'm afraid all I have are transcripts
from the notes in people's gedcoms and what was transcribed from the Turner
Bible in a compilation in this list's archives. (I don't have the
compilation number just now, I'm sorry...I am disorganized at the best of
times and right now I seem to be in a slump! :{ ) Is it Ann Hughes who
originally transcribed the Bible data for the list? (I believe the Bible
itself is/was in the possession of her cousin?)
Thanks very much to you both for your feedback re: my Turner quandary. I
know that a lot of work had been done (and is still being done!) on these
various Turners who keep popping up in the same vicinity, and there is
evidence to prove that they are all somehow connected. For some reason,
though, that Presbyterian connection plus the Edinburgh-published Bible keeps
sticking in my craw. (Maybe the Bible originally belonged to the Scots-Irish
family of Adam Turner's wife, Mary Nancy Pilson?) In any case, I have
received several possible explanations for why Old James Turner would omit
four sons from his deeds of gift, and they have all given me some hearty food
for thought. Thanks again!
Becky Olenchak
jjbb343@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:19:27 -0400
From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" <ekirkman@swva.net>
To: "BTRVETC-L" <btrvetc-l@genealogy.org>
Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA
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> Thanks very much to you both for your feedback re: my Turner quandary. I
> know that a lot of work had been done (and is still being done!) on these
> various Turners who keep popping up in the same vicinity, and there is
> evidence to prove that they are all somehow connected. For some reason,
> though, that Presbyterian connection plus the Edinburgh-published Bible
keeps
> sticking in my craw. (Maybe the Bible originally belonged to the
Scots-Irish
> family of Adam Turner's wife, Mary Nancy Pilson)
Perhaps the bible was simply published in Edinburgh and was imported into
the colonies. The fact that it was published there really means nothing
unless it actually says in the Bible itself that Adam, or his parents, were
born there. Most of our best books were published in either Scotland or
England in the early years.
Eunice B. Kirkman ***** ekirkman@swva.net
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:29:37 EDT
From: JJBB343@aol.com
To: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org
Subject: Will of Francis Turner, d. 1804 Patrick Co. VA
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I would've sent this a little earlier today but my pc crashed on me again. :{
I still can't find the compilation that included the Adam Turner Bible data,
sorry to say, but I did find this xerox from "Abstracts of Wills, Inventories
& Accounts -- Patrick Co. VA 1791-1823" by Lela C. Adams, p.17 (and I hope I
am not breaking any copyright laws by submitting it!):
Will Book I pg 73 Date: 1 Oct 1803
Item: Will of Francis Turner, being in perfect sense but weak in body....
I give and lend unto my well beloved wife during her natural lifetime, the
land and plantation I now live on lying below a line beginning at a small
branch south of Smith River at Thomas Flower's corner to Burnetts Santee
place,also all the slaves and their increase excepting Bolin.
To my daughter Esther Pilson to have the twenty two pounds her husband
William Pilson owes me for a mare, also to have a hundred pounds bond due me
from Rowan and Scott. If Bolin is living at my death, he is to be sold and
the price of him equally divided between the children of the said daughter.
Son Adam Turner, one negro, my still and all vessells and at his Mothers
death one negro girl. I lend him a negro boy until his son Francis arrives
at the age of 21, then to him. If Francis should die, then sell him and
divide the money amongst his brother and sisters. To son James Turner, the
original survey he now lives on (175 acres) also 2 tracts in Montgomery
County containing 399 acres, and at his Mothers death three slaves.
To my son John Turner, the part of the tract I now live on lying above the
line described earlier, two negros at his Mothers death, and I lend him 1
negro until his son Francis reaches age 21.
To my sons Adam, James and John Turner and my son-in-law Robert Rowan all
that part of land lying on the Blue Ridge except 250 acres belonging to
Robert Rowan. This contains 1223 acres and to be equally divided.
To my daugter Betsy Rowan at her mothers death all the aprt of the plantation
that was to my wife.
To my dear wife during her natural lifetime all the house furniture, farming
tools with all stock that be on hand after Esther Pilson is paid.
I leave ten pounds cash to support supplies or members of the Old
Presbyterian Denomination at $4.00 per year.
Executors: sons Adam, James and John Turner.
Witness: William J. Mayo, Bennet Houchins, William Hancock, Richard Thomas
and Alexander Lacky.
Returned Oct Ct 1804
I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but it's the fact that Francis was
evidently a practicing Presbyterian that bothers me in terms of his possibly
being of English birth. (Of course, I guess he could have been a convert?)
I hope everyone has a happy and blessed Independence Day!
Becky Olenchak
jjbb343@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christine Gaunt <cgaunt@umich.edu>
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: FWD: William Burnett m. Margaret Finch, Campbell Co. VA, USA, 1818
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Hi, Folks,
Julie Busse is hunting for more info on this Burnett family. If anyone
can help her, please reply to webusse@uswest.net, as she is not on our
mailing list.
Chris
Christine Gaunt, cgaunt@umich.edu or gaunt@genealogy.org
Campbell-L and BTRVETC-L listowner
Co-compiler of Genealogy Resources on the Internet
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_int1.html
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:48:44 -0600
From: Julie Busse <bussej@thrasherresearch.org>
To: cgaunt@umich.edu
Subject: Burnett
I'm new to genealogy by internet, so if I have misunderstood your research
interest, ignore this.
I am trying to find more information on the family of William Burnett.
He married Margaret Finch in Campbell Co. VA in 1818, lived in Miami
County, Indiana, moved to Holt County MO in about 1846, and died there in
1856. 1840 Census in Indiana indicates there were 9 children, of which 3
are known - James, Sarah Ann (marr Isaac Iddings) and William (marr
Isabela Boland). I can't find him in the 1850 census anywhere.
If you respond, use email address webusse@uswest.net
Thanks ,
Julie Busse
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